Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/07/Category:Fire-starting
Category:Fire-starting and Category:Making fire seem to be duplicating each other, they are even linked to the same Wikidata item (firelighting (Q1192478)). El Grafo (talk) 09:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- What you wait to merge them? 186.173.251.75 18:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not waiting, I forgot about it ;-) But we should probably discuss which name is better:
- El Grafo (talk) 13:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think Making fire/Fire making is a broader term than Fire-starting. Fire making is also about gathering wood, place it properly so that the fire might burn better, and then start the fire. So I think Category:Fire-starting should be a subcategory of Category:Making fire, give them both good descriptions and move the files and subcategories to the correct category. JopkeB (talk) 11:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- Good point, but I'm a bit on the fence as to whether we should/need/want to distinguish between those two when neither Wikipedia nor Wikidata do so. We have a lot of media about the lighting part. But it doesn't seem like we have a lot of media about fire making in the broader sense and a bunch of the media that is not bout the act of lighting are part of a series that would be ripped apart ...
- As for naming, however, I'd prefer:
- Category:Fire making over Category:Making fire for the simple reason that it's much easier to find if you don't already know the category name
- Category:Firelighting over Category:Fire-starting as that seems to make your point clearer (plus is doesn't have a weird dash)
- El Grafo (talk) 12:17, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- What is not yet, may come later, and I see three files about making a fire without the lighting part, that is enough for me to keep this category and not merge it.
- I agree: Category:Fire making should be the name, that is were I was searching for this morning, not for Making fire.
- Category:Fire-starting is more clear for me. Firelighting can also be about a fire that is burning already still some time (though this may be not propper English; I am not a native English speaker and I would be confused). So I prefer Fire-starting.
- JopkeB (talk) 15:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- OK, let's keep them separated then. Just thinking: Category:Fire craft (compare en:Fire making might be even better for a general term. I think some input from native speakers might help here ... El Grafo (talk) 08:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- What is not yet, may come later, and I see three files about making a fire without the lighting part, that is enough for me to keep this category and not merge it.